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Ignorance Is Bliss

Often when I talk or write about using progressive CSS, people ask me, “How do you convince clients to let you work that way? What’s your secret?” Secret? I tell them what they need to know, on a need-to-know basis.

— My article for 24ways 2009 is live. Comments range from “He’s mad” to “He’s really lost it this time.” (archived here)

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Mau

December 24 2009 @ 06:10am #

This is golden:

By showing neither a static image of my design, I set none of the false expectations that, by definition, a static Photoshop or Fireworks visual would have established.

Helps you avoid shooting yourself on the foot.

Berny

December 24 2009 @ 06:20am #

What most project managers chase is a pixel perfect site that looks the same under edge technologies and old navigators. That’s quite hard and finally we have to choose between avoid some features, or add tons of hacks, when the solution should be progressive enhancement.

The article is great, I really like it, specially the title. I hope this arrives to the correct audience, to the people that, even today, designs for a particular browser.

Thank you! :)

Robert

December 24 2009 @ 06:23am #

I think you’re spot on and the whole “progressive visual enhancement” thing is clearly best suited when the design is created in the browser, not in Photoshop.  Instead of the benchmark being the Photoshop comp, it’s whatever the designer feels is an acceptable compromise between browser capabilities and the mental image of the design.

I still feel trapped in Photoshop by budget, though.  It’s simply quicker for me to knock out a comp in Photoshop (especially when I may end up scrapping the entire design if the client doesn’t approve), thinking in terms of how I’d be coding, which is better for the low budget sites I typically find myself with.  I’ll be looking forward, though, to a chance to do in-browser design on a project.

Ian

December 24 2009 @ 06:31am #

Andy, I think you’re spot on with this article. You’ve summed up what I, and hopefully a lot of others, are thinking.

I just wish more web designers understood this line of thinking and ‘non-pixel-perfect’ approach.

Colin Williams

December 24 2009 @ 07:22am #

I didn’t address the issue of dealing with clients in my comments over on 24ways, but my opinion is that it is a.) not necessary to design in the browser in order to avoid pixel-perfect discussions, and b.) there’s no reason to be so surreptitious about it. Our clients know these issues before signing on with us. All it takes is good, honest communication.

Robert

December 24 2009 @ 08:16am #

@Colin Williams Despite the fact I still primarily do Photoshop comps first, I find my clients don’t even notice when I don’t use, e.g., a rounded corner.  If they do ask, the conversation is usually short when I say, “it’s going to take longer to do that in IE6 (or whatever browser)” where “take longer” translates to “cost more.”

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